A ‘Yes’ vote in Scotland would be a blow to the British state - Penny Cole - Posted on July 25, 2014

• What constitutes democracy, or how self-determination can become more than about transferring power from one elite to another – these and other questions need vigorous debate and discussion to avoid the trap of narrow nationalism.

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For those of us who are fighting for the concept of the rule of the majority through people's assemblies, the ‘Yes’ vote is part of a process of a transition away from the market state and capitalism. But when we raise this question we are told – get independence and then you can vote in whatever government you want.

But that is simply not true as the capitalist state model and popular democracy are irreconcilable opposites which elections cannot overcome. The transformation of Labour into New Labour – a party of corporate-driven globalisation – is a symptom of this fact, and pushing a minority Scottish Socialist Party Mark 2 into the electoral trap would be a mistake. We'd be wasting an opportunity because a ‘Yes’ vote puts everything up for debate and we could and should fight for something more revolutionary.

We [A World To Win] support the ‘Yes’ vote wholeheartedly but not from the delusional standpoint that it will in itself give ordinary people real self-determination in economic as well as political terms.

A ‘Yes’ vote in Scotland would be a blow to the British state - Penny Cole - Posted on July 25, 2014

http://www.aworldtowin.net/frontline/YESblowtostate.html